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I am living in California. I own an LLP in UK, which is doing business with people in US. One of the companies in US is actually the company I am working for in California. I registered UK LLP for taxation reasons. Do I have to register US (California) entity for business related to US companies even do I have a director in Europe, which is handling business from there?

 

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August 29 2006 at 2:51 PM (49 minutes and 38 seconds later)
         
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Dear Customer (name blocked for privacy),

If I understand your question correctly, this is about registering businesses to do business in parent and foreign countries.

While there may be some exceptions for offshore businesses, in order for your U.S. company to do business in the UK, it needs to be registered in the UK.

If the director in Europe is working for the U.S. company in the UK, your business address can actually be his address from where he works, even if it is his home.

For example: GlobespanVirata had field customer relations VP of international business, operating from Manchester. His address in Manchester was the GlobespanVirata business address. He was the only one representing the company there.

As you may guess, everything is for tax purposes and for compliance with existing tax treaties between the countries.



Edited by emj1219 on August 29 2006 at 2:51 PM



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Edward M. Johnson
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August 30 2006 at 11:40 AM (20 hours and 48 minutes and 45 seconds later)
         
Reply to Ed Johnson's Post: Just to make myself a bit more clear. I do not have any business entity in the US. I am working as employee for the US company and I kind of "suggest" some outsourcing business to go over my company in UK. Company in UK has Nominee Director with me having Power of Attorney contract with the company. I heard from one tax advisor that having only Nominee Director it is not enough as a proof of the actual presence and the majority of the company control being in UK. Hense he thinks that I should open a US branch for the business I am doing with US customers otherwise IRS can see my business in UK is not complying with the actual tax regulations. My problem is that I am not able to open any US business entity because of my Visa issue (H1B). Alternative would be to somehow manage some Board Members in UK, which can meet periodically in London. That is a very expensive option for me. I would like to hear what you think about this. I would have couple of more questions, which I plan to post them as separate on this forum. Is there a way that you can pickup all my other questions also? Can I ask you directly but somehow schedule the additional payments?

Edited by Customer (name blocked for privacy) on August 30 2006 at 12:18 PM
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August 30 2006 at 2:11 PM (2 hours and 31 minutes and 2 seconds later)
         
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Ok,

1. You are an employee of a U.S. Company.

2. You suggest or ask your U.S. Company to send work to your own company in the UK. A company you own.

Customer (name blocked for privacy), the U.S. Company can contract work with the UK company without your UK company having a presence in the United States. Having a director or not does not have a bearing on that status. Many U.S. Companies do business internationally by Internet and phone.

The only proof you need for a legitimate business in the UK, is that you have an office, employees, and the business is registered and operating in the UK. The business is conducting business operations such as generating revenues, products, and or services.

The next consideration for your circumstances is where is the UK Company doing the work that is contracted. If the UK company is doing the work in the UK, then you have no problem. However, if you or other members of the UK Company are doing the work in the United States, you do in fact have to be registered here.

The problem might be, that the CPA or accountant might view that you are working for the UK Company by referring work for them. (because it is your UK Company). However, you are actually working for the U.S. Company to find them a vendor or contractor to do their jobs. The real issue is a conflict of interest that might violate Sarbanes-Oxley. To protect yourself, your suggested or referred work, should be competitively bid or at least selected from among two or three alternatives.

Your H-1B does not stop you from having an employee of your company in the UK to come to the U.S. and establish an operation. However this might not be the best way to go, depending upon your line of business.

You might considerer these two options:

1. Your company can form a partnership or merge with U.S. Company. Your company could be allowed to continue to operate independently in the UK. This would eliminate any issues you would have. The UK company is licensed to conduct business in the UK for the parent company. AND, the parent company is already registered in the U.S. No problem. You could, as a corporate officer or executive, then change your status to L-1, and apply for Green Card if you desire, without a labor certification.

2. You could start a business entity here in the U.S. and covert your status from H-1B to treaty trader or treaty investor. Either of these Visas will actually give you a quicker path to Permanent Residence, as you would not have to go through a Labor Certification.

You can post other questions and request ED JOHNSON.

Edited by emj1219 on August 30 2006 at 2:13 PM



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Edward M. Johnson
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August 30 2006 at 3:11 PM (1 hour and 28 seconds later)
         
Reply to Ed Johnson's Post: I understand your suggestions. Quick comments:
1) Merger is not a possibility since my employer in US is control freak and I won't see a penny of the profit.
2) This is an interesting possibility. I would like to ask what are the prerequisities in order to convert my current status to treaty trader or investor. Do I have to have a company in UK or this can be done without any company?

Concerning UK company, the real deal is to act as sort of intermediate company between US companies and Eastern European companies. US companies require certain outsourcing services. Eastern European companies are service providers. I am the middle man, which puts them together and get a fee for that. As you can see I do not have any employees of the UK company. UK company has registered address in UK. At the moment I am not doing any business with UK companies nor having UK people as employees or contractors. Money is just going from US to UK bank account and then it is dispatched to Eastern European bank accounts and provision is kept in the UK bank account. I am not sure if that declares my business as operating in UK?
Since I require certain privacy in the UK company (no public record with my name) I would like to hide a fact that I am organizing people in Eastern Europe to do the work for US companies. If that is possible then in the sense no US people are involved in running UK companies business. I can actually appoint some Eastern European friend as UK director and some of them can be shareholders also if that would make the situation better. Would that look like as somebody from Eastern Europe runs the company in UK and keep US IRS of my back? I can also pay them salary for the services. UK gov does not require for director or shareholders to be UK residents.
I got alerted by an accountant, which mentioned that since I do not have employees in UK company I need to have at least 3-4 Board Meetings per year in London in order to present UK company as being organized from UK and not from US. Would my solution with Eastern European resident as company director fix that problem?
Concerning "conflict of interest" situation, my boss is fully aware of all my endevours (CEO also). They agree with the situation since they have huge benefits from services "my" people provide. Also they actually have quotes from some Indian and Chinese companies, which can be used in terms you suggested.
I am hoping that you understand the general picture on how I planned on organizing UK company. I certainly need your help in order to figure out ways to make it 100% legitimate from tax and visa perspectives if at all possible.

Please do not hesitate to ask any questions in regards to this matter.

Edited by Customer (name blocked for privacy) on August 30 2006 at 3:13 PM
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August 30 2006 at 5:24 PM (2 hours and 12 minutes and 25 seconds later)
         
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Ok Customer (name blocked for privacy),

Let me deal with the treaty trader/investor (E Visa) later.

Lets deal with your business activities in the UK.

1. Your business in the UK is to act as an intermediary or business broker for Eastern European Companies and U.S. Companies. You are providing the liaison and gateway to business. This is a legitimate business activity. You do not have to have board meetings as long as you are organized as a business to operate in the UK. Like GlobespanVirata, all you need is an address, and phone number, and to incorporate as an Ltd or other entity.

2. Of course, no company can exist without at least one employee, either you or you and one other person. My recommendation is to hire one person to by your VP of international business operations and company Operations Officer. You would be the President and Founder. If your corporation is not a publicly held entity, it does not require a board of directors. Hence no board meetings would be required. However, like in the U.S., you may need a corporate agent. In any regard, the accountant was being very subjective that in order to show you had a legitimate business in the UK, business activities and board meetings, etc had to be going on. Brokering business relationships and providing gateway services are legitimate business activities.

By incorporating and establishing a business address with bank accounts, you are conducting legitimate business activities, according to the description of the services you provide.

2. Your business appears to be operating out of the UK. Technically, if you are the only person in the company, you are operating out of the U.S. You are lucky in that you are employed by the U.S. company who is sponsoring you on a H-1B visa.

As we go through this, I see a red flag: Because you are the only employee. When you clarified that you were sending money from the U.S. to the UK Business Bank Account, it dawned on me what the accountant might have been focusing on. You are the only employee of your company. By brokering business in the united states, and sending it to the UK bank account, you could be considered to be working for the UK company. However, this is only a red flag. Since you are here on an H-1B visa, you are brokering for your employer to choose the best course of action for your employer, which happens to be your own UK company. I would like to see you diffuse this in the following way:

  1. Hire a UK employee, as the VP of your International Operations.
  2. When ever a service is done for you present company, have the UK Company VP bill the U.S. Company directly. You should not handle the money or the billing.
  3. Let the US Company ACCOUNTS PAYABLE department to arrange for payment by what ever means they can: Bank Draft, Money Transfer, etc to the UK Company.
  4. If contracts are to be signed, you can sign them, but sign them from your position title and function with the U.S. Company and have the UK Company VP sign as the UK Company representative.
  5. When you put the VP in place, make sure you write a memo to him, putting him in charge of your total operations during your absence as an employee of XYZ company in the United States.

What you are doing is divorcing yourself from official duties of your UK Company, so that you can be free to legitimately act as an employee of the U.S. Company, and not be in jeopardy of your H-1B Visa.

I like the idea of the shareholders who are corporate partners or employees in Europe/UK

3. If you have a UK company, you need to operate it under the requirements of the UK. I am not worried about the IRS, except to the extent that your business activities in the U.S. will be taxed as a foreign entity. As long as you have a company that is legally formed and recognized in your home country, then the IRS will recognize it. If the UK does not require 4 meetings from a board of directors, then the IRS accepts that on its surface.

4. The IRS will tax your personal income from your U.S. employer as regular income,most likely as a non-resident or resident alien. If you are conducting business activities on the side, you would be taxed as a foreign government doing business in the U.S. This is why I made the recommendations I did with the bold italics above. The deal is, to have your immigration status match your tax status. While the IRS will n ot get involved with this, you are not allowed to be self employed on an H-1B visa, by the strictest definition of the law. Many people do moon light however, despite the law. As a consultant, I cannot advice you to violate not only the letter of the law, but the spirit and intent as well.

CAUTION: where ever your president or VP is operating from for the UK company, all business activity needs to be happening from the UK headquarters. There has to be an address, bank account, and some one operating out of that office. That address and phone number needs to be on the letter head and be the originating place for contracts, agreements, receipts, and the destination of all payments. (the phones can be set to ring through to anywhere in the world).

Summary:

1. You need to organize your business in the UK so that it is a legitimate legal entity operating out of the UK.

2. As long as your business is legally established and recognized in the UK, then the IRS will have no issue with regard to the business.

3. While on an H-1B visa, and employed by the U.S. Company who is also a client of your UK company, you need to take yourself out of the approval, billing, and payment cycle. In addition from the tax perspective, you need to avoid handling or doing business activities for the UK company. However, you can continue to broker deals representing your employer, even with your UK company.

4. You need to appoint some directors and VP's of international operations, business operation, etc. It really only takes a couple of people.

TREATY INVESTOR OR E-VISA:

You do not have to already own a company. That you do is a good thing. You do have to agree to start a company and conduct business in the United States. Said business needs to be legitimate and you have to have a reasonable expectation of being successful. While there is no specific monetary guide, the most successful E-Visas are those that invest between 250,000 and 500,000 into the business venture. However, some people with as little as 25,000 have started legitimate businesses as E-Visa holders and succeeded. The language in the regulations is merely states, that sufficient resources must be on hand to guarantee a reasonable expectation of success and profit. The amount will vary depending on your business plan. (You have to have a business plan).

You can read more about the treaty visa at:

http://www.mnllp.com/engEvisaEvisadetails.html




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